Monday, February 10, 2014

Just when you thought the Harper Conservatives couldn't go any lower...

... we find out they have an entire strategy laid out to disrupt the upcoming Montreal Convention, including distributing ZigZag rolling papers with the Liberal brand, playing on the alleged discontent over the Senators being kicked out of caucus, and supposed friction between Trudeau and Chrétien. They specifically want to draw up a list of "anti-Trudeau" Liberals, so they can then send them propaganda.

I'm pretty sure that after the conclusion of this particular strategy meeting, the participants needed a shower.

I suppose it brings in an interesting twist to the convention, of course. After all, after the release of this affront to our sensibilities, I'm pretty sure any Liberal that finds a Conservative plant inside the Palais des congrés will ensure that everyone within earshot will know who they are and who they're working for. I'd like to see them spread their BS then.

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  1. Weren't the OLP printing up buttons to hand out at the PC convention making fun of Hudak? This sort of shenanigans seem old hat

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    1. And the NDP handed out things at the CPC convention as well. Old hat, yes. Also amusing.

      This, however, just seems malicious beyond any normal degree.

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  2. I don't see the moral problem with drawing up a list of potential supporters as "anti-Trudeau" Liberal may be for the Tories. Every party makes note of their supporters and potential supporters including the Liberal party. As for "plants" inside the convention it is long established practice among all parties to send observers to their opponents conventions partly to verify the voting and debate conforms to established rules.

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    1. Observers aren't plants, bede. As for you not finding it a tad repugnant that there is a specific strategy drawn up to divide and conquer the internal membership of the Liberals... well, that's your view.

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  3. What is repugnant Kyle is your criticism of a practice the Liberals know and perfected. You think when Paul Lane defected to the Liberals discussions weren't held before hand? What about when Paul Haggard a lifelong BC New Democrat was convinced by Paul Martin to run for the Grits in New Westminster? There is a very long list Kyle of Liberals participating in nearly identical antics the only difference is other parties don't whine about it.

    Or how about when Chretien orchestrated a putsch against then leader John Turner while Turner was burying his mother-not repugnant I suppose but, it did cost the Liberals the 1988 election. Perhaps Liberals should worry more about healing internal division first and foremost before expressing exasperation for another party participating in politics.

    Liberals need to understand party members and voters do not belong to them. Members and voters loan a party their vote until a more appealing party comes along, hence, they are always in play because they are not bound to anyone-it is called free will. Liberals know who their potential supporters are and I can assure you some 18 months before the next election they are already bombarding these potential supporters with e-mails and donation pleas and invitations to all sorts of soirees and Liberal love-ins. Don't hate the players Kyle hate the game!

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    1. bede, I've only been involved in the Liberal Party since 2008 - don't try to hang the sins of people long before me on my shoulders, thank you very much. I'm well aware of past stupidity from the Liberals.

      Right now, all I see is a Conservative Party aimed at dismantling my party from the inside through underhanded tactics and appeals to said past stupidity. All parties use Machiavellian tactics, I have never denied that - I just feel that the current incarnation of the right-wing here in Canada has taken it to a higher level, plus made it personal. You don't have to agree.

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    2. I personally am not surprised by the suggestion that there are liberal divisions. when a party tries to be everything to everybody by straddling the center so broadly, it should not be surprised that it has difficulties trying to reign in the margins. Particularly when the left and right are squeezing the center out. I find the diatribe around conservative tactics being repugnant and Machiavellian a bit rich. I mean come on, are we commenting on federal politics or kindergarten. Grow up.

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  4. Kyle,

    I am not blaming anything on you. I am merely pointing out the inconsistency and double standard of your argument. A political party that attempts to siphon off disaffected members from another is not underhanded-it's called politics-perhaps you need to re-evaluate your own objective(s) and role in it. You are the only person making Conservative tactics personal for yourself. The problem is you criticise the Tories for participating in activities the Liberals have long executed. You make it appear when the Liberals try and fracture political parties that is legitimate but, when others use "Liberal tactics" it is unfair and illegitimate.

    Of course the Tories will attempt to dismantle the Liberal party from the inside! They are the ones who stand to gain should the Liberals disappear. I am sorry you are so heavily emotionally invested in the Liberals but, one can not take politics personally-it's only politics. Your vitriol for the Conservatives is frankly dangerous, the Tories are not doing anything new and by intoning they are you are making a moral judgement; Liberals are ethical and right, Conservatives are immoral and wrong. This is a dangerous position to take since by doing so you disregard a large portion of the electorate with different political views and opinions.

    The Liberals have tried this once before and it left them as the third party in Parliament. To this day "arrogance" is a word synonymous with the Liberal party because of this moral judgement Liberals think they can place upon others. It's only politics Kyle, don't hate the player hate the game.

    You are obviously worried about these tactics probably because they have some potential for success. What does that tell you about the Liberal party; what it stands for, what it's objectives are, it's goals, it's policies, it's philosophy? If the only objective of the Liberal party is to obtain power then it has outlived its usefulness. The same is true of any political party who strive not for the benefit of the people but, merely for the benefit of themselves.

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    1. I can only concur with your observations. It strikes me that the criticism leveraged against conservative tactics is somewhat out of place. It should be noted that I never voted pc or CPC. nonetheless, the criticism seems one sided and somewhat, how shall I say, lopsided.

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    2. I felt it was more than simply being lopsided. The criticism against Conservative tactics were accusatory and unfounded. No evidence was presented as to why these tactics are "Maciavellian... to a higher level" or how such tactics were "made personal" or why these tactics were wrong, "underhanded" or outside political norms.

      One then is left with the impression that Conservatives are merely talking to Liberals at a Liberal convention and there is simply nothing wrong with that.

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