Monday, February 27, 2012

How Far Does the Rabbit Hole Go with Adam Carroll?

I didn't think of this in my last post (which is why he's paid to do this, and I'm not), but Kinsella is right. It's highly unlikely that it was solely Adam Carroll who set up, then did all the work associated with the Vikileaks30 account and Vic Toews' divorce files.

There's a problem somewhere in the Liberal Party as well, it seems. We need to figure out what, and root out the fools who ended up embarassing our party in front of Canadians. This is how BS like the Sponsorship Scandal starts, people.

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  1. Hey, at least it wasn't an "unnamed Liberal source" embarassing the party.... Actually, I wish it were.

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  2. Oh for gawd sake, Caroll did nothing illegal. It's not like he hid cameras in ol' Vic's bedroom or motel room or where ever he had his affair. As someone else pointed out somewhere, it's not like he broke into ol' Vic's shrink's office. The documents were public record. He did nothing illegal. No tax payer dollars were reshuffled the way Tony Clement shifted border securtiy budget to buying an election by going gazebo crazy. In fact, the vikileaks scam didn't cost a cent in tax payer dollars. How can you compare this to ADSCAM.

    Funny how speaker Andy is on the case, but did nothing for Irwin Cotler.

    I have to wonder why Bob Rae even apologized in the first place?

    Not like ol' Vic apologized to Francis Scarpaleggia or any other critic of the online spying bill for suggesting they were siding with the child pornographers and/or pedophiles.

    Not like ol' Steve is going to go easy with his attack ads against the Liberals and NDP when the time comes.

    Not like Steve apologized for the robocall scam.

    No, Bob Rae made himself look like a whimp in apologizing. There was no reason for it. Coming out to say who it was, in order to clear the NDP, ok, but no apology. When will we learn that taking the high road with Steve and his puppets does not work?

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    1. The high road did not help us one bit in the case of Dion and Ignatieff. Apologizing was unnecessary.

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  3. CK,

    I understand what you're saying - and note, I never said that Carroll did anything illegal. Immoral, yes. Illegal, not as far as I know.

    But the fact is that he did something which the vast majority of people, if told, would roast us over the fire on. It's wrong. And no, I don't believe the ends justifies the means in this case; bringing ourselves to that low of a level demeans not just Vic Toews, but us as well.

    And yes, we know Harper and co. do this. But what is the better path: exposing an immoral act to Canadians effectively, which we attempt to do but usually fail at, but at least we can sleep at night if we do (if we're not sociopaths, anyways); or committing the same acts, bringing the whole level of discourse down to a point where it'll end up irreversible.

    I opt for the better path. Hence why I disagree with Carroll's acts, and agree with Rae's apology. It's not just the right thing to do, it helps our image in the minds of Canadians as well.

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  4. And I mentioned that the high road never ever works. Just ask Stephane Dion or John Kerry. Ask how that worked for them?

    And if we finally fought back and learned how to brawl, I'd sleep a lot better than I have been, thank you very much!

    "But what is the better path: exposing an immoral act to Canadians effectively, which we attempt to do but usually fail at,..."

    The only reason we fail at this is really not our doing. It's because about 90% of Canadian mainstream media outlets serve one master and one master only--Ol' Steve, hisself. This, alone, handicaps us a great deal. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, since when is robocall worse than Vikileaks? Right away, robocall was illegal and the vikileaks was not.

    Bob Rae can apologize all he wants, but as long as the Timmy Horton's set keeps swallowing the msm swill flavoured kool-aid, Bob Rae will never endear himself to them. Just ask Barak Obama how trying to please the Rush Limbaugh machine or Fox News Crowd worked out for him.

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  5. Foot meet bullet.

    The political stupidity of LPC or NDP supporters will never cease to amaze.

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    1. Let me introduce you to the Conservative supporter who thinks Mike Sona should send his resume to the Progressive Conservatives over at Queen's Park.

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  6. I still disagree CK. The issue is not that "taking the high ground" is a bad position, it's just that we have shitty communications ever since Martin left (if not during his reign). The Liberals are defined by this lack of a good comms team, so we fail to define the Conservatives by their actions before they can define us.

    People care, they just need to hear it. Our problem is that they can't before the Cons get their message out first. We can't just blame the media either.

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  7. One way the whole situation makes the party look bad is the fact that this is a case where a staffer was doing something without his superiors' knowledge. I suspect that this was the reason the Conservatives accepted Rae's apology -- because it fits their own narrative of what happened to them with regards to the voter suppression scheme. It was all the fault of a rogue staffer. See, these things just happen.

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  8. That's true, Sharon - makes a lot of sense.

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  9. According to Kady O'Malley, this is already on a Conservative info-alert. This give some comfort to the Conservative supporters who might have a twinge that the Conservative Party might have done something wrong during the last election.

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    1. And Vic Toews is now reading this out and using the whole situation as a defence of Bill C-30. The mind spins.

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  10. Wow... I look forward to getting that bit of BS from my MP.

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  11. I disagree that what Carroll did was immoral. Stuped maybe, but Vic Toews (and the Cons in general) really deserved some major blow back. It is certainly in no way comparable to the robocalls. Should Rae have apologized? A case can be made that it was the decent thing to do, on the other hand just taking responsibility should have been sufficient. That alone is light years ahead of anything we would see from Harpie.

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